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Symphony no. 2 E-flat majorFranz Schmidt; Austrian Broadcast Symphony Orchestra, Milan Horvat12" Vinyl4
  • -1977
Classical ExcellenceCE 11044[none]
Requiem in C minorCherubini; ORF Symphony Orchestra & Chorus, Lamberto Gardelli12" Vinyl7
Philips9500 715
Zarzuela Arias & DuetsPlácido Domingo, Pilar Lorengar, ORF-Symphonieorchester, García Navarro12" Vinyl10
CBS Records MasterworksIM 39210
A Quiet PlaceLeonard Bernstein, Stephen Wadsworth; ORF-Symphonieorchester2×CD13 + 14
Deutsche Grammophon419 761-2028941976123
Poulenc: Organ Concerto / Casella: Concerto RomanoPoulenc, Casella; Martin Haselböck, ORF-Symphonieorchester, Leif SegerstamCD4
Koch Schwann Musica mundi317 002 H19002723170023
Der CornetFrank Martin; Marjana Lipovšek, ORF-Symphonieorchester, Lothar ZagrosekCD23
  • -1988
Orfeo (German classical)C 164 881 A[none]
StiffelioGiuseppe Verdi; ORF-Chor, Radio-Symphonieorchester Wien & Lamberto Gardelli2×CD18 + 16
  • NL1989-10
  • -2005-08-09
Philips Classics (See annotation to check it's really this label.)422 432-2, 475 677-5028942243224
La battaglia di LegnanoGiuseppe Verdi; Radio-Symphonieorchester Wien & Lamberto Gardelli2×CD16 + 12
  • DE1989-11-28
Philips422 435-2028942243521
I due FoscariGiuseppe Verdi; Katia Ricciarelli, José Carreras, Piero Cappuccilli, Samuel Ramey, ORF Symphony Orchestra & Chorus, Lamberto Gardelli2×CD14 + 22
Philips422 426-2028942242623
Dantons TodGottfried von Einem; Theo Adam, Werner Hollweg, Horst Hiestermann, Krisztina Laki, Lothar Zagrosek, Symphonieorchester und Chor des ORF2×CD4 + 4
  • -1989
Orfeo (German classical)C 102 842 H4011790102221
Der Messias (Messiah) (arr. Mozart)Handel; Edith Mathis, Birgit Finnilä, Peter Schreier, Theo Adam, Sir Charles Mackerras, ORF-Chor, ORF Symphonieorchester2×CD22 + 29
  • DE1990-04-30
Archiv Produktion427 173-2028942717329
A Village Romeo and JulietDelius; ORF-Symphonieorchester, Arnold Schönberg Chor, Sir Charles Mackerras2×CD15 + 10
Argo (UK jazz, classical, and spokenword label)430275
J. Strauss, Jr Edition, Vol. 26Johann Strauss; Radio-Symphonieorchester Wien, Peter GuthCD12
  • -1992-07
Marco Polo (Naxos Predecessor/sublabel)8.2232264891030232266
J. Strauss, Jr Edition, Vol. 27Johann Strauss; ORF-Symphonieorchester, Peter GuthCD12
  • -1992-07
Marco Polo (Naxos Predecessor/sublabel)8.223227730099322720
Der fliegende Holländer (Vienna, 1992 ORF Symphony Orchestra, Steinberg)Richard Wagner; Alfred Muff, Ingrid Haubold, Erich Knodt, Peter Seiffert, Jörg Hering, Marga Schiml, Budapest Radio Chorus, ORF Symphonieorchester Wien, Pinchas Steinberg2×CD13 + 16
Naxos8.660025-264891030600256
Moses und AronArnold Schönberg; Günter Reich, Louis Devos, Chor und Orchester des Österreichischen Rundfunks, Michael Gielen2×CD12 + 17
  • DE1993-11-02
Philips Classics (See annotation to check it's really this label.)438 667-2028943866729
Aïda (excerpts)Giuseppe Verdi; Eva Wagner, Anne Helter, Pedro Pirez, Rudolf Kalmann, Horst Wieger, Austrian Opera Chorus, Vienna Radio Orchestra, Roberto AnduccioCD11
Emperor (1990s classical)EMP 4046745907400125
Concertos for Piano and Orchestra Nos. 2 & 3Béla Bartók; Radio-Symphonieorchester Wien, Milan Horvat, Carl Melles, Alexander Jenner, Clara MatecCD7
Point Classics (imprint either includes a red ink splotch or a conductor's silhouette)267007-2078736417126
Iberia / La Mer / Prélude à l'après-midi d'un fauneClaude Debussy; ORF Symphonieorchester, Milan HorvatCD7
  • -1994
Point Classics (imprint either includes a red ink splotch or a conductor's silhouette)267018-2078736416020
Symphony No. 4 "Romantic"Bruckner; ORF-Symphonieorchester, Milan HorvatCD4
Point Classics (imprint either includes a red ink splotch or a conductor's silhouette)267128-2078736411926
Concerto for Orchestra / The Miraculous MandarinBéla Bartók; Austrian Radio Symphony Orchestra, Milan HorvatCD6
  • -1994
Point Classics (imprint either includes a red ink splotch or a conductor's silhouette)267160-2078736426722
Symphony No. 10Shostakovich; Milan Horvat, Austrian Radio Symphony Orchestra (ORF)CD4
Point Classics (imprint either includes a red ink splotch or a conductor's silhouette)267164-20078736427125
PenthesileaSchoeck; Chor und Symphonieorchester des ORF, Gerd AlbrechtCD17
Orfeo (German classical)3649414011790364124
Claro de luna / Preludio a la siesta de un fauno / El MarClaude Debussy; Philharmonia Slavonica, Alfred Scholz, Orquesta Sinfónica de la Radio Austríaca (ORF), Milan Horvat, Dieter Goldmann, Jurica MauraiCD13
San Pablo, CMC Home Entertainment11MB8422142003336
Der Ö3|nachtsmann präsentiert: Die schönsten Weihnachtslieder zum MitsingenRadio-Symphonieorchester WienCD12
Warner Music Austria3984-21262-2639842126229
FluxErkki-Sven Tüür; David Geringas, Radio-Symphonieorchester Wien, Dennis Russell DaviesCD4
ECM New Series465 134-2, ECM New Series 1673028946513422
Symphonien No. 2 & 10Nikolaj Mjaskovskij; Radio Symphonieorchester Wien, Gottfried RablCD4
Orfeo (German classical)C 496 991 A4011790496122
Il ritorno d'Ulisse in PatriaClaudio Monteverdi, Hans Werner Henze; Kathleen Kuhlmann, Ann Murray, Thomas Allen, Vinson Cole, James King, Robert Tear, Tölzer Knabenchor, Radio‐Symphonieorchester Wien, Jeffrey Tate3×CD7 + 12 + 9
  • -2000
Orfeo (German classical)C 528 003 D4011790528328
Trauerfarbenes LandGiya Kancheli; Radio Symphonieorchester Wien, Dennis Russell DaviesCD2
ECM Records (Edition of Contemporary Music)ECM New Series 1646
Symphony / Pastorales VorspielHans Rott; Radio Symphonieorchester Wien, Dennis Russell DaviesCD5
  • DE2002-01-08
Classic Produktion Osnabrück999 854-2761203985425
Symphonies 4, 6 & 7Egon Wellesz; Radio Symphonieorchester Wien, Gottfried RablCD10
Classic Produktion Osnabrück999 808-2761203980826
Brahms: Klavierkonzert Nr. 1 / Schumann: KlavierstückeJohannes Brahms, Clara Schumann; Gottlieb Wallisch, Kirill Petrenko, Radio Symphonieorchester WienCD14
  • -2002
ORF9004629311975
Organ Concerto / 3 Organ SonatasPaul Hindemith; ORF-Symphonieorchester, Milan Horvat, Anton Heiller, Elisabeth UllmannCD12
  • XW2003-10-13
Apex (UK, classical, budget)2564 60227-2825646022724
Symphonies 2 & 9Egon Wellesz; Radio Symphonieorchester Wien, Gottfried RablCD7
Classic Produktion Osnabrück999 997-2761203999729
Metamusik / PostludiumValentin Silvestrov; Radio-Symphonieorchester Wien, Dennis Russell Davies, Alexei LubimovCD2
ECM Records (Edition of Contemporary Music)ECM New Series 1790028947208129
Golden HallRadio-Symphonieorchester Wien5×DTS CD13 + 9 + 4 + 8 + 8
  • -2003
Symphonies 1 & 8 / Symphonischer EpilogEgon Wellesz; Radio-Symphonieorchester Wien, Gottfried RablCD7
Classic Produktion Osnabrück999 998-2761203999828
Symphonies 3 & 5Egon Wellesz; Radio Symphonieorchester Wien, Gottfried RablCD8
Classic Produktion Osnabrück999 999-2761203999927
George Gershwin: Concerto in F / Maurice Ravel: Concerto in GGeorge Gershwin, Maurice Ravel; Bertrand de Billy, RSO Wien, Pascal RogéHybrid SACD6
  • XE2005-01-18
OehmsClassics Musikproduktion GmbHOC 6014260034866010
Phantastische Erscheinungen, op. 25 / Serenade, op. 20Walter Braunfels; Radio-Symphonieorchester Wien, Dennis Russell DaviesCD17
  • DE2005-02-14
Classic Produktion Osnabrück999 882-2761203988228
Don GiovanniMozart; Kwangchul Youn, Regina Schörg, Heidi Brunner, Jeffrey Francis, Maurizio Muraro, Birgid Steinberger, Vienna Radio Symphony Orchestra, Bertrand de Billy3×CD32 + 26 + 9
Arte Nova Classics0828768672129
The Orchestral Works 2Giacinto Scelsi; Vienna Radio Symphony Orchestra, Concentus Vocalis, Wiener Kammerchor, Peter Rundel, Johannes KalitzkeCD13
Mode (contemporary classical)Mode 176764593017622
Symphony no. 15 / Cantata da Requiem / TransitionsGloria Coates; Vienna Radio Symphony Orchestra, Boder, Talisker Players, Ars Nova Nuremberg, HeiderCD12
Naxos8.559371636943937129
Alle meine DichterRoland Neuwirth, Extremschrammeln & RSO WienCD18
ORF9 004629 3136659004629313665
Ariane et Barbe-BleuePaul Dukas; Bertrand de Billy, Radio‐Symphonieorchester Wien, Deborah Polaski, Ruxandra Donose, Kwangchul Youn2×CD20 + 10
  • JP2008-06-25
OehmsClassicsOC 915
Don Juan / Aus ItalienStrauss; Bertrand de Billy, Radio‐Symphonieorchester WienHybrid SACD5
  • JP2008-09-24
OehmsClassicsOC 631
Mendelssohn Prokofiev: Voilin ConcertosLidia Baich, ORF Radio‐Symphonieorchester Wien & Bertrand de BillyCD7
Deutsche Grammophon47666765
Symphonies 1–9Egon Wellesz; Radio-Symphonieorchester Wien, Gottfried Rabl4×CD7 + 7 + 8 + 10
Classic Produktion Osnabrück777 183-2761203718320
Eine Frühlingsmusik / Feste im Herbst / IdylleJoseph Marx; Radio-Symphonieorchester Wien, Johannes WildnerCD3
Classic Produktion Osnabrück777 320-2761203732029
Orchestral WorksLuciano Berio; GrauSchumacher Piano Duo, Vienna Radio Symphony Orchestra, Stefan Asbury, Bertrand de Billy, Martyn BrabbinsCD4
col legnoWWE 1CD 202819120031340430
Dutilleux / LutosławskiDutilleux, Lutosławski; Christian Poltéra, ORF Vienna Radio Symphony Orchestra, Jac van SteenHybrid SACD13
  • -2009-11
BIS (Swedish classical music label)BIS-SACD-17777318599917771
Dutilleux / LutosławskiDutilleux, Lutosławski; Christian Poltéra, ORF Vienna Radio Symphony Orchestra, Jac van SteenDigital Media13
  • XW2009-12-21
BIS (Swedish classical music label)7318599917771
Aranjuez: Concertos and Dances for HarpRodrigo; Xavier de Maistre, Vienna Radio Symphony Orchestra, Bertrand de BillyCD19
  • JP2010-02-17
RCA Red SealSICC 13284547366052459
Aranjuez: Concertos and Dances for HarpRodrigo; Xavier de Maistre, Vienna Radio Symphony Orchestra, Bertrand de BillyCD19
  • US2010-04-20
RCA Red Seal
Spiegel / Monumentum / MomenteFriedrich Cerha; SWR Sinfonieorchester Baden‐Baden und Freiburg, Sylvain Cambreling, ORF Radio‐Symphonieorchester Wien, Dennis Russell Davies, Friedrich Cerha2×CD5 + 4
  • AT2010-04-26
KAIROS (avant-garde classical music)0013002KAI9120010281570
Complete Works for Piano and OrchestraSchumann; Lev Vinocour, ORF Vienna Radio Symphony Orchestra, Johannes Wildner3×CD7 + 6 + 5
  • JP2010-06-23
RCA Red SealSICC 13664547366054477
Symphony No. 8Gustav Mahler; Bertrand de Billy, Radio‐Symphonieorchester Wien, Wiener Singakademie, Slovenský filharmonický zbor, Wiener SängerknabenDigital Media22
  • US2011-03-01
Und Du... Verzeichnis Für KFriedrich Cerha; ORF Radio‐Symphonieorchester Wien, Ensemble „die reihe", ORF-Chor, Erwin OrtnerCD3
KAIROS (avant-garde classical music)0013182KAI9120010281778
Kontinent (»In Meinem Kopf Singt Ein Vogel Das Ganze Jahr.«)Varèse − The Percussive Planet, Martin Grubinger, Ensemble Modern Orchestra, François‐Xavier Roth, ORF Radio‐Symphonieorchester Wien, Bertrand de BillyCD7
col legnoWWE 1CD 202959120031340706
Symphony No. 2 / RinaldoLudwig van Beethoven, Johannes Brahms, Bertrand de Billy, Vienna Radio Symphonie Orchester, Johan BothaHybrid SACD (CD layer) + Hybrid SACD (SACD layer, 2 channels) + Hybrid SACD (SACD layer, multichannel)16 + 16 + 16
  • DE2012-07-11
OehmsClassicsOC 6734260034866737
my RSO 01 EkstaseORF Radio‐Symphonieorchester WienCD8
ORF9004629315096
my RSO 02 In The NightORF Radio‐Symphonieorchester WienCD12
ORF9004629315096
Kossuth / Concerto For OrchestraBéla Bartók; ORF Radio‐Symphonieorchester Wien, Cornelius MeisterSACD22
Classic Produktion Osnabrück777 784-2761203778423
Symphony no. 4 in E-flat major "Romantic" (1878/1880 Version by Leopold Nowak)Anton Bruckner; Cornelius Meister, Radio-Symphonieorchester WienCD4
Capriccio (classical)C5150845221051505
Spohr, Nielsen: Clarinet Concertos / Debussy: RhapsodySpohr, Nielsen, Debussy; Dionysis Grammenos, Vienna Radio Symphony Orchestra, Ari RasilainenCD7
Naïve (French independent label)V 5348822186053485
Vernon Duke: Violin Concerto, Complete Music for ViolinVernon Duke; Elmira Darvarova, Scott Dunn, Kim Laskowski & Vienna Radio Symphony OrchestraDigital Media11
  • XW2014-11-18
Urlicht Audio Visual783583260404
Ein Heldenleben / MetamorphosenRichard Strauss; ORF Vienna Radio Symphony Orchestra, Cornelius MeisterCD7
  • -2014-11
Capriccio (classical)C5208845221052083
Wesendonck Lieder / Tannhäuser / Tristan und IsoldeWagner; Anne Schwanewilms, ORF Vienna Radio Symphony Orchestra, Cornelius MeisterCD10
Capriccio (classical)C5174845221051741
Vernon Duke: Violin Concerto & Violin PiecesVernon Duke; Elmira Darvarova, Scott Dunn, Kim Laskowski & Vienna Radio Symphony OrchestraCD5
  • XW2015-02-09
Urlicht Audio VisualUAV5990
KlavierkonzertGottfried von Einem; Konstantin Lifschitz, RSO Wien, Cornelius MeisterDigital Media17
  • -2016-01
Orfeo (German classical)C764091
ManiaReinhard Fuchs; Klangforum Wien, ORF Radio‐Symphonieorchester Wien, Anna Maria Pammer, Sylvain Cambreling, Beat Furrer, Johannes KalitzkeCD4
KAIROS (avant-garde classical music)0015001KAI9120040735012
Symphony No. 9 & Mass No. 3Anton Bruckner; Ruth Ziesak, Janina Baechle, Benjamin Bruns, Günther Groissböck, Wiener Singakademie, ORF Vienna Radio Symphony Orchestra, Cornelius Meister2×Digital Media3 + 6
  • -2016
Capriccio (classical)C5247
Aida GarifullinaAida Garifullina, Cornelius Meister, ORF Radio‐Symphonieorchester WienDigital Media15
  • FR2017-02-03
Decca Classics (“DECCA” in white uppercase on a blue-over-red rectangular block; until 1999, for use outside of North America only)[none]
The Spectre's Bride, Op. 69Antonín Dvořák; Šaturová, Pavol Breslik, Adam Plachetka, Wiener Singakademie, ORF Vienna Radio Symphony Orchestra, Cornelius MeisterCD19
  • -2017-04
Capriccio (classical)C5315845221053158
Violin Concerto "The Border of the Mountains" / Cello Concerto "Dawn" / Suona Concerto "Calling for Phoenix"Wenchen Qin; Mengla Huang, Li-Wei Qin, Qianyuan Zhang, ORF Vienna Radio Symphony Orchestra, Gottfried RablCD7
  • -2017-06
Naxos8.570620747313062072
Die SeejungfrauAlexander von Zemlinsky; Cornelius Meister, ORF Radio‐Symphonieorchester WienCD5
  • XE2017-08-21
Classic Produktion Osnabrück777 962-2761203796229
The SymphoniesBohuslav Martinů; ORF Vienna Radio Symphony Orchestra, Cornelius Meister3×Digital Media8 + 7 + 6
Capriccio (classical)C5320
Das klagende LiedGustav Mahler; Simone Schneider, Tanja Ariane Baumgartner, Torsten Kerl, Adrian Eröd, Wiener Singakademie, ORF Vienna Radio Symphony Orchestra, Cornelius MeisterCD3
Capriccio (classical)C5316845221053165
Das klagende LiedGustav Mahler; Simone Schneider, Tanja Ariane Baumgartner, Torsten Kerl, Adrian Eröd, Wiener Singakademie, ORF Vienna Radio Symphony Orchestra, Cornelius MeisterDigital Media3
Capriccio (classical)
Weinberg: Violin Concerto / Kabalevsky: Piano Fantasy / Cello Concerto no. 1Weinberg, Kabalevsky; Benjamin Schmid, Claire Huangci, Harriet Krijgh, ORF Vienna Radio Symphony Orchestra, Cornelius MeisterCD10
  • -2018-01
Capriccio (classical)C5310845221053103
WallensteinJaromír Weinberger; Roman Trekel, Martina Welschenbach, Ralf Lukas, Daniel Kirch, Wiener Singakademie, ORF Radio‐Symphonieorchester Wien, Cornelius Meister2×CD13 + 17
Classic Produktion Osnabrück777 963-2761203796328
Orchestral WorksWenchen Qin; Wei Ji, Weiwei Lan, ORF Vienna Radio Symphony Orchestra, Gottfried RablCD4
KAIROS (avant-garde classical music)0015032KAI9120040731182
Eine Florentinische TragödieZemlinsky; Wolfgang Koch, Heidi Brunner, Charles Reid, ORF Vienna Radio Symphony Orchestra, Bertrand De BillyCD17
Capriccio (classical)C5325845221053257
Stravinsky: Chant funèbre & L'oiseau de feu / Shostakovich: Symphony No. 12 "The Year of 1917"Igor Stravinsky, Dmitri Shostakovich; ORF Vienna Radio Symphony Orchestra, Cornelius MeisterCD10
Capriccio (classical)C5352845221053523
1001 Nights in the Harem / Grand Bazaar / China RhapsodyFazıl Say; Iskandar Widjaja, Iraz Yıldız, ORF Vienna Radio Symphony Orchestra, Howard GriffithsDigital Media6
  • -2019-03-01
Sony Classical19075865732
Der ProzessGottfried von Einem; Michael Laurenz, Jochen Schmeckenbecher, Matthäus Schmidlechner, Lars Woldt, Johannes Kammler, Jörg Schneider, Ilse Eerens, Anke Vondung, ORF Vienna Radio Symphony Orchestra, HK Gruber2×CD8 + 10
Capriccio (classical)C5358845221053585
Violoncellokonzert / Beethoven’s CelloOtto M. Zykan; Heinrich Schiff, ORF Radio‐Symphonieorchester Wien, Leif Segerstam, Wiener Philharmoniker, Zubin MehtaCD6
KAIROS (avant-garde classical music)0015046KAI9120040732141
Olga Neuwirth: Orchestral WorksOlga Neuwirth, Håkan Hardenberger, Gustav Mahler Jugendorchester, Ingo Metzmacher, Antoine Tamestit, ORF Radio‐Symphonieorchester Wien, Susanna Mälkki, Wiener Philharmoniker & Daniel HardingDigital Media11
  • XW2019-11-01
KAIROS (avant-garde classical music)9120040735104
…miramondo multiplo… / Remnants of Songs… An Amphigony / Masaot / Clocks Without HandsOlga Neuwirth; Håkan Hardenberger, Gustav Mahler Jugendorchester, Ingo Metzmacher, Antoine Tamestit, ORF Radio‐Symphonieorchester Wien, Susanna Mälkki, Wiener Philharmoniker, Daniel HardingCD11
KAIROS (avant-garde classical music)0015010KAI9120040735104
Symphonettes Nos. 2-4 & Spirituals for String Choir & OrchestraMorton Gould; ORF Radio‐Symphonieorchester Wien, Arthur FagenCD16
  • XW2020-03-01
Naxos8.559869636943986929
Missa solemnis, Op. 123Beethoven; Alison Hargan, Marjana Lipovšek, Thomas Moser, Matthias Hölle, Wiener Singverein, ORF Vienna Radio Symphony Orchestra, Michael GielenDigital Media5
  • -2020-03
Orfeo (German classical)C999201
Opéra-Comique OverturesBoïeldieu, Delibes, Gounod, Halévy, Hérold, Lecocq; ORF Vienna Radio Symphony Orchestra, Michael HalászDigital Media10
  • XW2020-05-08
Naxos8.574122
Dawson: Negro Folk Symphony / Kay: Fantasy Variations / Umbrian SceneWilliam Dawson, Ulysses Kay; ORF Vienna Radio Symphony Orchestra, Arthur FagenDigital Media5
  • -2020-06-26
Naxos8.559870
Dawson: Negro Folk Symphony / Kay: Fantasy Variations / Umbrian SceneWilliam Dawson, Ulysses Kay; ORF Vienna Radio Symphony Orchestra, Arthur FagenCD5
  • -2020-06
Naxos8.559870636943987025
Trumpet ConcertosArutiunian, Peskin, Désenclos; Selina Ott, ORF Vienna Radio Symphony Orchestra, Roberto PaternostroCD10
Orfeo (German classical)C2000914011790200910
Sinfonietta / 6 Gesänge / Der König Kandaules (excerpts)Alexander Zemlinsky; Susanna Mälkki, Petra Lang, Siegfried Lorenz, Gerd Albrecht, ORF Radio‐Symphonieorchester WienCD11
Capriccio (classical)C5377845221053776
Coptic Light / String Quartet and OrchestraMorton Feldman; Arditti Quartet, ORF Vienna Radio Symphony Orchestra, Michael Boder, Emilio PomàricoCD2
Capriccio (classical)C5378845221053783
The Veil Of PierretteErnst von Dohnányi; ORF Vienna Radio Symphony Orchestra, Ariane MatiakhCD11
Capriccio (classical)C5388845221053882
Stravinsky: Violinkonzert / Duos / Rimsky-Korsakov: FantasieIgor Stravinsky, Nikolai Rimsky-Korsakov; Thomas Albertus Irnberger, ORF RSO Wien, Doron Salomon, Pavel KašparHybrid SACD18
  • AT2021-02-12
Gramola (Austrian classical label)992049003643992047
Stravinsky: Violinkonzert / Duos / Rimsky-Korsakov: FantasieIgor Stravinsky, Nikolai Rimsky-Korsakov; Thomas Albertus Irnberger, ORF RSO Wien, Doron Salomon, Pavel KašparDigital Media18
  • XW2021-02-12
Gramola (Austrian classical label)9003643992047
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